4TB NVMe drives

[Burgerman]

What do you think you are going to do with 200 watts of heat from the CPU alone with zero overclocking?

I can tell you. Nothing. You dont need worry. They simply throttle back to maintain a safe temperature regardless of how weak the cooling is. So no danger, but way lower performance. Thats why they can work in a mini PC. Theres also an even lower power/performance Laptop version. But then what real performane did you gain from the upgrade?

Thats why I have a over the top DIY water cooling system. As I tried in vain to explain. Because quite apart from never throttling, it runs at a 41% faster speed than stock!

Even a BIG air cooler cannot stop the latest intel cpus from throttling unless it sounds like a vcuum cleaner. Same with AIO water coolers.

[Burgerman]

Now if its the mobile i9 used in phones/laptops/tablets then thats nowhere near as powerful. And still needs to dump 115 W of heat when working. And so that may work in your mini PC, without throttling because it already is by design. It doesent have close to the performance of the desktop i9 13 to begin with. So that one may well not need to throttle down. Or not by as much. Because it starts off that way to begin with in order to save laptop battery power and heat by restricting performance.

So just swings and roudabouts.

Again, be patient. There are MASSIVELY more efficient ARM CPUs for desktop PCs just around the corner. Already being tested, and already available in laptops now. The same as the super powerful and efficient M2 Apple ARM CPUs in their latest stuff.

And windows, inc LTSC versions have an ARM version all ready and waiting.

[expresso]

i am just looking at them now - not looking to do anything for few more years at least

mines is only 3 years old - i like my case size now - its smallest i had - i dont mind having a smaller footprint either -

no i dont want your case set up - too large

the cpus they are using are not desktop versions - they run cooler in general

mines now is 65 watt - i like it - easy to cool -

would have to see a test on load for a while doing some graphic intensive video files etc, to get a better idea of how they preform

in my current setup - i wanted smaller case - and quiet - it does both - even on full load - quiet - its not a power house CPU - it was a nice upgrade from what i had - in the future next one - the way things are going - even a mini pc will blow this away - thats pretty good

i look out for this new ARM CPUs - they are made by who - its not intel or Amd ?

[expresso]

reading up a bit

Arm has a while to go before its settled and confirmed as being better

if it even works with software - it will but no rush into it -


but by the time i am ready for a new setup - it may be all ready to go and worth a look -

[Burgerman]

Its the only way to go.

The LAPTOP/MOBILE version of the new Intels i9 13 cpu is reduced power. So only around 60% as powerful as the desktop version. And it is half the watts, at 115 watts. Double the heat of your existing CPU even still. Whatever you have now, this CPU will need double that to cool properly. And that wont fit in the case... So like a laptop, it throttles.

You best wait for the ARM CPUs. Check out the first ones already used in laptops recently. Thats a start. They make lots less heat and are more powerful per watt. Battery life is way way better.

[expresso]

Or maybe i just keep my case and replace MD Ram etc, only - new CPU latest one -

thats another option - and make a small box for the stuff i take out and give it to my sister -

that would be good for her - but with these mini PCs cost is good - one of them would be good for her also - i may spend more trying to use my MB etc,

i usually end up giving my old PC away each time i do a new one - but i do like my case - even though i would like a smaller one to give me more desk space -

i had it under my desk - but i hate not having access to it - makes it harder if i have to plug or unplug things or check etc,

[Burgerman]

Its all horss for courses.

For what you actually do a laptop would likely be OK. You dont do anything that needs any power as far as I can see.

My case is different.
Ignoring 4K flight sim, that needs an nvidia 3090 bare minimum to keep frame rate above 25fps I also need some serious CPU and Nvidia math processing power. Why?

If I shoot 20 minutes worth of video, at 8K raw at 60fps, thats a terrabyt of data...
When I take this raw movie data, and try to process it in davinci studio or adobe premier the typical computer just stops! It literally runs at max power and grinds to a halt. It is quite impossible to even move along the timeline. Or to even get to the point where you can edit it.

Realistically 128GB ram, super fast LARGE NVMe drives, (takes at least 2TB of free space to edit a 20 min long 1TB movie) and a very fast CPU and a high end Nvidia GPU (or several) is not only nice, but essential to edit in close to real time.

So if I sent you a disk with 20 mins of Z8 high quality raw movie file on it you literally wouldnt be able to edit it.
Having a Z8 camera NEEDS a basic supercomputer to edit properly. If you want to use the camera it at max video quality.

If you are just surfing, ripping DVDs (do they still make those?) and working with text files/office then anything from the last 20 years can do that. So no need to upgrade at all!

[expresso]

yes i dont need that level - i have time - not in a rush -

i like to look and see whats new etc, you need to upgrade soon

[Burgerman]

Actually I dont. Its taken until now for the latest super expensive wiz bang cpus and graphics cards to catch up with my 16 core 41% overclocked system. Which is one of the advantages of building the fastest possible system at the time I did it about 5 years ago. And unlike the latest stuff, it doesent throttle down as it gets used hard either because silly ott water cooing.

So maybe 5 years from now I will find something worthy of actually upgrading to.

But by then a ARM based system (ARM is a company that licences its tech to others like apple, and now intel etc, they dont actually make CPUs or GPUs) will be available. As its the future. Mostly because the current way of doing things eats power. My sytem for e.g pulls 800 watts from the wall when benchmarking or movie editing. And that means removing 800 watts of heat! The newest CPUs from intel and AMD are exactly the same. Wheras the ARM stuff takes literally 10x or even less watts to do the same thing. (Some say a 60x efficiency increase!) With all the emphasis we have in the world on green stuff nothing else makes any sense. And that means the days of big cases and water cooling will soon be over. And a small case may be adequate. But not yet.

[expresso]

which model lexar did you order or using that works as it should ?

i am looking to get one 4T and use it in the external case - outside my PC


so many models and makes and speeds etc, - i rather get the top speed even if my PC dosnt support Gen 5 speeds -

i have 3.2 usb ports - i may get what 5gbs speeds or maybe 10 - ?


i have one usb C connector 3.2 gen 2 - i can try using that one instead

which model 4T lexar did you get and what others are worth looking into - to compare price speed etc,

thanks

[Burgerman]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Lexar-Gen4x4-I ... p/B0CB8J9L

Super fast, right up until full. Long endurance. And £55 per terrabyte!
I bought and tested 4 others. All garbage including corsair, crucial, samsung 990, wd. And sent them back.


So good I bought 3 of them (so far!)

[LROBBINS]

Hi John,

That Amazon link give a PageNotFound here. Doing a search on Amazon.it for that Lexar comes up with 1Tb as the largest and twice as expensive in GB.

Do you also have a recommendation for an external USB case?

Ciao,
Lenny

[Burgerman]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Lexar-Gen4x4-I ... 0CB8J9L8D/

Thats odd. Works now.

I use a sabrent case. As extrernal. Limits it to around 800MB per second. If you call that limited!
The other two are fitted inside machines. Where you get many Terrabytes per second and no slowing in either case. Depends on your USB 3 variation though.

And its no loger availavble. Any that are NVMe and 4TB capable and show a 10 or 20gbps logo...

I have a couple of these:

About this item

M.2 SSD ENCLOSURE: The USB C M.2 NVMe USB adapter uses USB 3.2 Gen 2 and Supports UASP acceleration protocol, the theoretical data transfer rate is up to 10Gbps. making it 70% faster read speed and 40% faster write speed than traditional USB 3.1. your drive's real-time read/write speed can reach up to 1000Mbps.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sabrent-Type-C ... 4337?psc=1

[LROBBINS]

Thanks. Original link still throws 404 here, but this one works, as does the link to the USB box,

[Burgerman]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Crucial-Plus-P ... 0CCNCW5QX/

Whatever you do dont buy these!
Its fast ish for the first 25 seconds. After which it slows right down to between 25 and 65MB per sec instead of Terabytes/s! Totally unusable. A backup takes about 3 to 4 hours instead of 3 minutes.