transfer

[Raro]

How do you transfer from the wheelchair to the bed or the bathroom? Do you use any technical aid other than a crane?

[Burgerman]

I used to use a simple slider board. Polished plywood. But sores... And I think it causes them at least on me.

So now use a patient hoist.

That takes longer, is a damned nusance really but it works. Its just a time thing and needs a carer.

[Raro]

Until now I have been transferring with a caregiver who simply grabs me by the armpits and moves me around, I'm not very heavy but now I'm afraid I won't find anyone who wants to do it if it's not with a crane, I was looking for some other more practical and faster option.

[martin007]

Anything that works is worth it to me.

[Raro]

For me, the crane is not a very good option since depending on what position it suffocated me.

[martin007]

I don't have a crane.
Most cranes are shit.

The transfer tables are moving and unstable.

I put a formica chair between the bed and my powerchair.
I have another formica chair in the bathroom.
They are stable chairs with a sliding surface.
I make the transfer by dragging myself.
The fabric of the pants is also key.

People say I'm weird and stingy.
I live my life and I don't listen to people


Formica > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formica_(plastic)

[Burgerman]

Crane = patient hoist?

Why would that stop anyone breathing? And why are they shit?

Mine are super stable, silent, eectric, and the sling is put under me by a carer on my bed in a few secs. I dont get it.

[martin007]

Crane.

Most cranes are shit

Its functionality and usefulness in the houses is limited.

Do you have a crane anchored to the ground next to the bed?
I like that crane.

Overhead cranes are useful, but equally expensive...

[Raro]

searching I don't see much other option other than the crane https://es.aliexpress.com/item/10050075 ... m=1007.389

[Raro]

Crane = patient hoist?

Why would that stop anyone breathing? And why are they shit?

Mine are super stable, silent, eectric, and the sling is put under me by a carer on my bed in a few secs. I dont get it.

I suffocate because I have difficulty breathing if I am lying down I have to use a respirator also if I am lying very far back

[martin007]

You try to calculate in advance all the possible drawbacks of the product.
Otherwise you will throw a lot of money in the trash.

[martin007]

Overhead crane.

[Burgerman]

When in the sling I am sat as if I am in the chair.

If not then you have either wrong sling or straps hooked on incorrect length.

Then lowered into chair. Done!

[Burgerman]

My crane is called a patient lift, as photo above this post. Its very useful. It can get me off the ground outdoors, go into any room, use it to service and lift powerchairs, etc as well as to get from bed to chair, and chair to chair. And back. Safely lifts up to 180kg. More really...

[martin007]

Some problems with those cranes.

* They are very bulky.
* The battery can leave you stranded without warning; I prefer the electricity of a plug.
* Even in a big house such cranes need a lot of space.

[Burgerman]

* They are very bulky.
Yes. Just tucks its feet under the bed and the rest sits over the bed, so is out of the way while I am up in the day.

* The battery can leave you stranded without warning; I prefer the electricity of a plug.
Power can go off too. And it HAS a AC cord as well if you want. It also does loads of lifts per charge... And I have 2 additional batteries.

* Even in a big house such cranes need a lot of space.
Thats the same as "they are very bulky" above isnt it?
I suspect that when tucked under my bed then your 2 chairs used instead take much more space! Logic is a bitch isnt it!

[martin007]

Thats the same as "they are very bulky" above isnt it?

I mean if you want to change the crane (for example) from the bedroom to the bathroom.
That's what it has wheels for...
They are also a hindrance when making the bed or cleaning the room.

I suspect that when tucked under my bed then your 2 chairs used instead take much more space! Logic is a bitch isnt it!

You're wrong.

Does a chair like this take up a lot of space?

[Burgerman]

Yes. It takes more than a hoist does once the thing is pushed under the bed. All that sticks out is the post part and 2 caster wheels. The rest is under and over the bed.

Like a chair is once pushed under a table. But that chair doesent fit under a bed.

[Raro]

We each manage ourselves burgerman and I, for example, depend on a third person, we cannot do what Martín does. I also have some other problems. I would like to try something else but there are hardly any options and if you find something you can't try it you have to buy it if it doesn't work that's your problem.

[Burgerman]

Well in spain maybe. Here I see an Ocupational therapist - actually a phone call - and they came assessed and supplied a hoist. These are sometimes used, sometimes new and are property of the NHS really.

[martin007]

It's similar in Spain...
The difference is that everything is more chaotic and slower here than in the UK.

[Raro]

If that service also exists here, they will even subsidize the purchase of what you need if it is in their catalog, but being able to try an item before buying it is almost always impossible.

[LROBBINS]

Rachi uses a patient lift much like the one Burgerman pictured. However, her sling has head support, absolutely essential for her. It did take a bit of trial and error to work out the right lengths for the head support straps, the underarm straps (well padded) and the under leg straps. We can put it on her when she's in bed, but also when she's sitting up in her chair, and lately when she goes to sit on the living room couch of an evening. This all can be done by one helper, but it's easier with two because we have to lift her up in her chair, scooch her but over and tighten her 4-point harness because of her dystonia.

[Burgerman]

But if it doesent work send it back, re call the OT and try again untill you get something suitable sorted out.

[martin007]

But if it doesent work send it back, re call the OT and try again untill you get something suitable sorted out.

In Spain this is very complicated or almost impossible...

[LROBBINS]

Here in Italy, if obtained through the health service, it remains their property. For a non-motorized lift, a family docs prescription is enough, but for one with a motor it needs a script from a specialist - e.g. physiatrist or neuropsychiatrist (probably called something else outside of Italy). Rachel's lift was supplied by the national health, but we paid for the sling as the health service only had unsuitable one-style fits all slings and it was going to be just too much hassle to fight them about it.

[martin007]

It's similar throughout Western Europe.
However, it is sometimes controversial.

A neighbor of mine over 80 years old with physical and mental problems requested help for a manual wheelchair.
He puts himself on a waiting list and then does the paperwork.
The system took a long time to help you and pay you.
My neighbor passed away shortly after getting his wheelchair.
A few days later the system knocks on his (his wife's) door requesting the delivery of the wheelchair.
The bottom line is that everything is too slow to help you, but very fast...

After a few months of use, the product is yours.
The system does not claim garbage..

[Raro]

Sometimes it is slow but once they prescribe it you go to an orthopedic and you can buy it with your own money and then they pay you for it over the course of the year. Once people don't need it, they should return it to social security even if they don't claim it, which I believe no one does.

[Raro]

Here in Italy, if obtained through the health service, it remains their property. For a non-motorized lift, a family docs prescription is enough, but for one with a motor it needs a script from a specialist - e.g. physiatrist or neuropsychiatrist (probably called something else outside of Italy). Rachel's lift was supplied by the national health, but we paid for the sling as the health service only had unsuitable one-style fits all slings and it was going to be just too much hassle to fight them about it.

Here it is the same Lenny, at least for a manual chair any doctor will prescribe it but for a motorized one it has to be the specialist in this case the rehabilitation doctor

[Raro]

But if it doesent work send it back, re call the OT and try again untill you get something suitable sorted out.

They do not have all the products. If you want something specific that is in their catalog and they do not have it, they will pay you whether it works or not. In this case, a certain amount of time will pass to request the same help.