Dynamic Wizard 5 vs. Windows 11

[foghornleghorn]

Need a new laptop. They all come with Windows 11.

I use the Dynamic Wizard 5 programming software and a cable from woodygb on two of my wheelchairs.

Does anyone have experience of Dynamic Wizard 5 having problems on Windows 11?

[Burgerman]

Well I never tested that. But I never found a single thing that wont work on 11 once you kick it into shape. Although it does make 100 things more difficult as it attempts to force you to do many things. And tries to prevent many more. So I wouldnt expect a problem - just a fight. But its crap...

Are we talking about the "non official" version? Or the one that needs a dongle. Because that may need a different dongle driver.

[foghornleghorn]

No dongle. Woody made me a cable. Think it was a version of Wizard 5 with a set of files to swap over to make it work.

Not sure where the install files are now - I might need to download them again.

[elryko1992]

Install Windows 10 LTSC and sleep well buy any laptop you like and do this, very simple.

[Burgerman]

Agreed. 10 64, LTSC IoT is 1000 times better.

If you MUST run 11, ugh... Use the LTSC version.

[LROBBINS]

One word of caution. Some computers being shipped with Win11 have hardware that can not be recognized by Win10, LTSC or otherwise. A case in point is the latest version of the HP Spectre 13.5 OLED which has an audio board that is not recognized by Win 10. It's not a driver issue - with Win10 LTSC running, the audio board, as far as the OS is concerned, just plain doesn't exist.

[Burgerman]

Well it must still be a driver thing though?

[ex-Gooserider]

Avoid the forced Microsoft downgrade to W11... Either run a bootleg W10 (that is never allowed to connect to the Internet) or Linux....

I'm actually waiting for the downgrade to happen so I can pick up the W10 machines that won't work w/ the W11 downgrade at e-waste prices and upgrade some of my current Linux boxes...

ex-Gooserider

[LROBBINS]

Well it must still be a driver thing though?

Not as far as I can tell. That doesn't mean that there couldn't be a driver, but there's no way to install one if the PC doesn't even see the board (not even in a search for new hardware).

[Burgerman]

Rapr is free I think. If not then let me know as I have a free one.

Install. In 11 use it to select all current drivers, its eay. Then export these to a folder someplace. Every driver in use on 11.

Run 10...

Open Rapr and select IMPORT and choose 1, 2, or all the drivers you want. It will install 11s driver in 10.
You can also do it by manually selecting a driver in "new" etc and navigating to the folder, and the one you want.
Reboot. Test...

[LROBBINS]

I've downloaded RAPR and will give it a try-

[Burgerman]

Avoid the forced Microsoft downgrade to W11... Either run a bootleg W10 (that is never allowed to connect to the Internet) or Linux....

There isnt one unless you use a noddy version of windows. My 10 LTSC IoT version is valid for 2032 OR BEYOND, no forced anything, no win 11, no crap. And full service pack and updates as and if required. And they already said that this extended end date will likely be extended eve further if theres still a lot of IoT users.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifec ... -ltsc-2021
Bootleg?
There are others?

I'm actually waiting for the downgrade to happen so I can pick up the W10 machines that won't work w/ the W11 downgrade at e-waste prices and upgrade some of my current Linux boxes...

Linux is retarded with a unfinished interface and only any good to waste hours trying to get stuff to work. And it cant run anything much either! And you will be waiting until 2032 unless they move that further away. And they may.

Why not connect to the internet? How rediculous to think you cant.
All my windows machines have done so for 28 years all day everyday and never a single issue. And no, I dont use or have a realtime antivirus in use and I dont need one. I check monthly and its a waste of time. All this scare story nonsense is redicuous.

Also anything that can run 10, can run 11 too. ALL OF THEM.
And so far other than a single case with one laptop (lenny) it appears the be fine to do the opposite too. And that might work yet as well. Not to mention 10 is good for another almost 8 years of support and it wont stop working then!

[foghornleghorn]

A progress update:

New laptop with Windows 11 arrived.

Installed and tested PL8 CCS which seems to be working fine.

Installed Wizard 5. Swapped in the files that are supposed to make it work without a dongle. It now tells me I have dongle #666 plugged in and asks for dongle password.
No idea what is wrong at the moment???

[Burgerman]

Beats me. It worked when I installed on 11 LTSC. Just the same as 10.

>>> No idea what is wrong at the moment???

Well it thinks you are trying to steal it.

[foghornleghorn]

Another progress update:

Installed Wizard 5 on my PC which is Windows 10 to make sure I wasn't just being incompetent at installing it.
Tested and working fine.

Tried again with the Windows 11 laptop:
Uninstalled Wizard 5, then did the best I could to make sure there was no trace of it left.
Downloaded the Wizard 5 installer exe again for a fresh start.
Installed Wizard 5.
Swapped in a selection of the *replacement* files - instead of just overwriting everything.
Tested and after giving the laptop permission to run an unsigned program it is now working fine.

[Burgerman]

All good.

Why not run 10 ltsc iot version? Or 11 ltsc if you can stand it?

[martin007]

Well it must still be a driver thing though?

Not as far as I can tell. That doesn't mean that there couldn't be a driver, but there's no way to install one if the PC doesn't even see the board (not even in a search for new hardware).

I had heard of some Windows 11 compatibility issues.

What you describe smacks of forced "programmed obsolescence".

I don't understand the reason why W11 doesn't recognize the hardware...

[Burgerman]

Some hardware isnt even seen unless other hardware has the correct software and drivers intalled. As these things may be connected serially.

So some motherboards for e.g cannot just let windows find everything and need an exe file as an install program before such things as on my own laptops near field communication or fingerprint reader can even be seen. Some sort o special USB driver. Device manager does not show them. Until AFTER you install some dell motherboard specific drivers and then the software/drivers.

[martin007]

They have been recommended to me, but I have never used it.


> https://sdi-tool.org/

[Burgerman]

I have a copy on my storage drive. You wont like it. Its around 56GB at the moment. It can be used with care for missing drivers. Use the motherboard drivers, lapttop manufacturrs drivers etc in preference where possible. SDI can cause a lot of issues if it installs the latest drivers that dont work well with you specific hardware. Use caution!

[Burgerman]

I've downloaded RAPR and will give it a try-

What happened?

[LROBBINS]

Not much. I did download RAPR and created the listing of all of the drivers in the Win11 machine's driver store, hoping that there would be a tool to mass import them after installing Win10-LTSC iOT from an image of the slightly older HP X360Spectre (which also came with Win 11, but on which I had no trouble installing 10 LTSC). I could not find any such too so I decided to get a RAPR-generated listing of what drivers are present in the LTSC install. Surprise: on this machine RAPR could not even enumerate the drivers - just sat there doing nothing. I haven't had the time to try to play with it further.

I still suspect that the invisible devices problem is not a driver issue, but a difference between an 18 month old Intel I7 processor and a 6 month old Intel I7 that is very different, and the fact that RAPR couldn't even write a log of the driver store on the machine with the newer processor, even under Win10 LTSC rather reinforces that.

I suspect that I will have to bite the bullet and install Win11-LTSC even though that means having to reinstall all of my software from scratch. How I'll ever find the time to do that, I haven't a clue.

[Burgerman]

Is this a full version of the program? I dont remember if mine is cracked/full or if its free...

Never mind, free...

I dont get it.
Is it because of all that new security nonsense? Because I just disable all that in bios and in 11. And 10. LTSC doesent need it.

I see and can import or export single or all drivers in the program on every machine ever tried. Older version. But not much.

Thi is what you should see. I delete all the ones marked as OLD. That leaves 233 drivers. I export these to a folder. It has named sub foldrs with 233 drivers inside. Abous 3GB total. I reinstall as needed. From device manager or from inside rapr or by right clicking the inf file and choosing install.