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[Burgerman]

Trust me its more complicated than it looks, but it is easy to understand once you start because you know where and why each wire goes where it does!

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This is 80 percent done...

[Burgerman]

Latched relay

[Burgerman]

Crimped/soldered Wrong order...

[CPguy]

For those people wanting HEADWAY cells (assembled by request) and /or cables (charging and balancer cables with Anderson SB 50, banana plugs, etc.) the German company http://www.i-tecc.de will be of service.
You can even request a special order: http://lifeenergy.i-tecc.de/sonderloesungen/

I had my cables done by special order.

[Irving]

For those people wanting HEADWAY cells (assembled by request) and /or cables (charging and balancer cables with Anderson SB 50, banana plugs, etc.) the German company http://www.i-tecc.de will be of service.
You can even request a special order: http://lifeenergy.i-tecc.de/sonderloesungen/

I had my cables done by special order.

Pity there's not an English version of their site, though Google makes a fair stab at the translation. How do they compare on price v buying direct or UK suppliers?

[Burgerman]

Cheapest I ever got was http://www.evassemble.com and they too will build a pack. Just don't let them include their crap BMS!

[Irving]

Answered my own question... a 48v/60Ah (16S4P) kit is £1310, eclipsebikes is £1043, so about 30% more. evassemble is £845 plus import duty & VAT if you're unlucky (about 30%, so £1,100). Unless you can be sure of not getting stung, eclipsebikes looks the better bet...

[CPguy]

@ Irving: well, I have a quote which is a few days old: 4s6p 12Ah Headway with all connctors, a charge lead (M6 to Anderson SB 50) extra long and a balancer cable (M6 to XH) costs EURO 609 (incl. a sales tax of 19 %).

Most of the time http://www.evassemble.com is indeed the prefered source but import duties (China to EU) and a 20 % sales tax in Austria have to be added. They do "creative shipping" but customs are very strict here.

[Burgerman]

Ordered many things from evassemble and never been stung.

[CPguy]

@ Burgerman: Lucky you! - Customs get me every time... I guess your parcels have a big "For John" sticker on them and everything is ok, lol!

[LROBBINS]

My Swiss-made MicroMotor motors came via a German shipper as their plant is almost on the Swiss-German border. Guess what, Germany refused to apply reduced VAT for them, and, of course, Switzerland is non-EU so VAT gets charged by customs. Stuff coming into Italy via courier (DHL etc.,) almost always gets charged full 22% VAT no matter what labels are on the box and attached to the manifest. The customs office almost never sees neither the package nor the manifest; the couriers only show them a consolidated list with standard codes. Only if a package gets delayed for one of their detailed spot checks will it be charged reduced VAT. Once the full VAT gets charged, getting a refund is purely hypothetical - probably will take as long as getting an Italian income tax refund (average 8 years) and will surely cost far more for processing it than the value of the refund.

If possible, I've taken to having most non-EU stuff sent by ordinary post. Much slower, BUT (1) intrinsically costs less, (2) the customs agent at the port-of-entry post office actually sees the package and I have the shipper attach a bi-lingual declaration for our 4% handicapper VAT rate, (3) there's no VAT on postage though there is on courier shipping fees, (5) most postal packages valued under E50 are exempt from VAT and customs handling fees. For stuff from China it's very, very slow - usually at least 3 weeks, and can take up to 5 weeks, with most of that time in Italy, but the saving is > 30% between VAT and shipping costs.

Ciao,
Lenny

[Burgerman]

@ Burgerman: Lucky you! - Customs get me every time... I guess your parcels have a big "For John" sticker on them and everything is ok, lol!

EVASSEMBLE like many Chinese suppliers mark them or ship them "well"... Its unusual to have a problem buying from hong kong or china. But from the US its every time...

[LROBBINS]

Either that or customs is so mistrustful of Chinese that they actually check the packages rather than a meaningless list of codes defined in something like 1929.

[Burgerman]

I have bought cameras and lenses for years from hong kong, powerchair and hobby stuff, chargers, etc sometimes 4 or 6 packages a week from china. Solar inverters etc. Batteries. Only ever got one customs stop. For a pair of solar inverters. But they charged VAT on just 1. Because of the way they were shipped.

Yet EVERYTHING from the US that is shipped via the national carrier USPS and delivered by ours the Post Office, never fails to get huge charges. And an additional rip off for collection from customs that should be charged at source. Use FedEx or similar and its 50/50.

[funkykeyboard]

HDC 2450 from Roboteq obv.

Sorry burger man, can I just double check it is this one.
http://www.roboteq.com/index.php/robote ... 450-detail.

Because on the picture. It says "two channel, 50v 2X 150 amp controller. If you look here, only the vdc2450 has "2X 150 amp". The HDC 2450 just says 150 amp, not 2x 150 amp.
http://www.roboteq.com/index.php/robote ... 400-family




Name Description Product Page
HDC2450 Brushed DC Motor Controller, Dual Channel, 150A, 50V, Encoder in, USB, CAN **RS1-25 and RC5 cables not included. Order separately** Product details
HDC2450S Brushed DC Motor Controller, Single Channel, 300A, 50V, Encoder in , USB, CAN **RS1-25 and RC5 cables not included. Order separately** Product details
HDC2472 Brushed DC Motor Controller, Dual Channel, 2 x 120A, 72V, Encoder in, USB, CAN **RS1-25 and RC5 cables not included. Order separately** Product details
HDC2472S Brushed DC Motor Controller, Single Channel, 72V, 240A, Encoder in, USB, CAN **RS1-25 and RC5 cables not included. Order separately** Product details
VDC2450 Brushed DC Motor Controller, Dual Channel, 2 x 150A, 50V **RS1 cable included. RC2 cable not included. Order separately** Product details
VDC2450S Brushed DC Motor Controller, Single Channel, 300A, 50V **RS1 cable included. RC2 cable not included. Order separately** Product details
VDC2472 Brushed DC Motor Controller, Dual Channel, 2 x 120A, 72V **RS1 cable included. RC2 cable not included. Order separately** Product details
VDC2472S Brushed DC Motor Controller, Single Channel, 240A, 72V **RS1 cable included. RC2 cable not included. Order separately** Product details
XDC2230 Brushed DC Motor Controller, Dual Channel, 120A, 30V, Encoder in, USB, CAN **RS1, RC2 , and ENC1 cables not included. Order separately** Product details
XDC2230S Brushed DC Motor Controller, Single Channel, 240A, 30V, Encoder in, USB, CAN **RS1, RC2 , and ENC1

[Burgerman]

HDC2450

[LROBBINS]

HDC2450 Brushed DC Motor Controller, Dual Channel, 150A, 50V,

It is 2 X 150A. TheHDC2450S has the same hardware re-wired to provide a single 300A channel. Ciao, Lenny

[JohnVee]

A pair of GROOVE motors , inexpensive.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Quickie-Rhythm- ... 19f01c41f3

Burgerman, how long do you think a new pair of Quickie Groove motors will last on your BM3?

Is it worthwhile to buy a used set of 8.5 mph motors off eBay like these? Well, not these 6.5 mph listed. Some nice 8.5 mph motors off a chair that never left a nursing home, for instance.
Might be worthwhile to buy a used chair just for the motors if you could get one cheap.

[Burgerman]

I would NEVER go to the trouble of building a chair and fit used motors.
New every build. These are the bits that wear and lose efficiency.

How long will they last?
Well as long as you never exceed the design 120A (SET in ROBOTEQ) they never make more torque than in the 24v application. And as long as you never exceed say 70C, then the extra RPM is pretty much irrelevant.

So I would expect no issues.

I could be wrong!

[shirley_hkg]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Left-Right-4-Po ... 3f3b498826

Left & Right 4 Pole Motors / Gearboxes for Quickie S-646 SE

[CPguy]

Online (at least in the EU) the charger seems sold out.
I am just ordering the (final?) batch from Switzerland. Import duties will be a pain...

The last steady supply (on the photo you see LOTS of chargers!) seems to be from China (http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product ... 63334.html) for USD 320,-- each. If you buy 3 or more the price drops to USD 288,--.

Happy shopping!

[Burgerman]

http://robotbirds.com/catalog/product_i ... ts_id=5832

129 delivered...

[shirley_hkg]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Left-Right-4-Pole-Motors-Gearboxes-for-Quickie-S-646-SE-Power-Wheelchair-/271577614374?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f3b498826

Left & Right 4 Pole Motors / Gearboxes for Quickie S-646 SE

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Electrocraft-su ... 19f25cb9a2

[shirley_hkg]

Another set of QUICKIE 8.5MPH motors for BM3 modification.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Electrocraft-su ... 1451366392

[ex-Gooserider]

Same vendor as previously listing them - looks like he either isn't moving them at that price, or has several sets.... He has relisted them several times.

ex-Gooserider

[Sully]

Or the biggest reason for multiple continuous listings like this, no one wants to meet his price. (overpriced)

[Burgerman]

http://www.caravantechnology.com/Standa ... 99C15.aspx

24V 30A charger fast charging...

http://www.caravantechnology.com/Premiu ... -P112.aspx

12V 30A charger, will charge 2 in parallel at 15 amps each. 2x faster than mobility chargers.

http://www.caravantechnology.com/Standa ... 66C16.aspx

50A charger, and they have 60A too. Ideal for fast charge t 12v parallel.

[myles]

Quickie Groove 8.5 Motor - US comparable
Is there an US equivalent to the Groove 8.5 motor? Found some motors at https://www.quickie-wheelchairs.com/ that state 8.5 but does not list other specs. Plus the price average price of 950 per motor seems kind of unusual from other post on this site. Any information will be helpful thanks

[Burgerman]

They are used by Quicky, Amy systems, and others. Actually custom built AMT motors from germany.

[snaker]

My old powerchair's battery box (a Quickie v121) has a 30A circuit breaker between 2 lead acid batteries. I see 30A circuit is too small and it actually annoys me much. When I move on rough roads or drive a bit fast continuously, it frequently breaks.

I am looking for a 50A circuit breaker for replacing. Can I use any 50A circuit breaker? Or do I have to need a breaker specialized for powerchairs which is safer, solider ...? In case the breaker is not an auto-voltage 12-24V, which voltage (12V or 24V) the breaker must be for proper using in the battery box?

Could anyone suggest me links which are selling good 50A circuit breakers?